tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post36649165737849106..comments2019-05-15T23:59:20.159-07:00Comments on Feminist Legal Theory: I Just Learned About "Incel"...And it's Terrifying Lisa R. Pruitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16469550950363542801noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-25572394336009949202016-04-07T16:45:18.378-07:002016-04-07T16:45:18.378-07:00Although this type of online (and real world) beha...Although this type of online (and real world) behavior is upsetting, it's not surprising. We live in a misogynistic world where the media enforces the idea that women are objects and men (particularly white men) are entitled to whatever they want. Young, white men are raised being told (implicitly) that they're the best, and that the world is their oyster, and then they grow up and have to face the reality that good things will not just be handed out to them on a platter. While I don't think an oppressed group has the responsibility to educate their oppressors, I do think that it is our duty as feminists to educate our peers and offspring about consent, desire, and sexuality. Hopefully, increased dialogue about consent will impact these groups' existence. Sonjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536839955595195957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-6870469629291333552016-03-29T13:57:20.557-07:002016-03-29T13:57:20.557-07:00It will always baffle me that there are men that s...It will always baffle me that there are men that so actively hate women that they join/ are a part of groups like INCEL and yet they somehow cannot grasp why they cannot "get" a woman. I guess it does tend to be easier for people to blame others for their problems but these men are taking it to truly terrifying levels. <br /><br />What really scares me is that I am not sure how you would even start going about attempting to educate these men not just about women's rights but on basic human decency (also on how government and taxes work since they do not seem to understand that either). While I normally believe that the cure to hate speech is more speech, with these men I am not sure that any speech that is not directly in line with their hateful views will be listened to.Jennahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14278751715490718989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-73956354671548455562016-03-29T10:18:01.781-07:002016-03-29T10:18:01.781-07:00Wow. I had no idea this group existed. It's ha...Wow. I had no idea this group existed. It's hard to believe a community could grow out of such vitriol. But given the current Trump movement, I guess it shouldn't come as too big of a surprise. <br /><br />It's interesting to see the different responses men have when alienated by modern feminism. For example, many of my male peers feel it's unfair that they're part of a legacy of misogyny they feel they had no control over. Compare this to the outwardly hateful INCEL followers. Although these points of view are far apart on the crazy scale, each seem to deny both feminist concerns and their individual role in the current patriarchy.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842383496351351047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-32516864696597022452016-03-19T23:52:33.752-07:002016-03-19T23:52:33.752-07:00India, I recall reading about the Santa Barbara gu...India, I recall reading about the Santa Barbara guy who felt the need to go on a violent rampage as punishment for all the women who didn't give him sex. My thoughts when I heard about this man and in reading your post is disgust and maybe a little surprise, but not completely. The thing is I have realized that some men expect to get sex. And they get super angry when you turn them down. I agree that it's important to respect different viewpoints as they are protected by the 1st Amendment. However, I don't agree with speech that justifies raping women, that women are practically "begging for it." That's hateful speech and I will never respect such speech. <br /><br />Surely there are women out there who want to but have not had the opportunity to engage in sex with a man. I have yet to hear about such hateful speech by such women towards men. I see the INCEL men as a patriarchal hate mongering group. It almost feels like women have to constantly explain to men why they are not entitled to sex. We have the world wide web, so that people like the INCEL men can take a clue and become educated on women's issues.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716074832044761879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-25019707636238970912016-03-19T15:07:06.801-07:002016-03-19T15:07:06.801-07:00India, I am grateful that you are sharing this but...India, I am grateful that you are sharing this but I also feel terrible that you had to suffer through reading all of that angry, hateful content! Why men feel so entitled to women's bodies, I may never understand. Many men ask why women are so scared to turn down a guy their genuinely not interested in, and the entitlement and violence you describe is precisely why.<br /><br />I mentioned this before in class, but part of this problem does stem from men in gamer and "geek" communities who feel that women pass them over for being too "awkward" and "nerdy." However, the men in these communities who proclaim themselves to be "nice" are often just as misogynistic. RChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16803392266567798463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302245627574027504.post-19770430376845385372016-03-15T14:29:20.238-07:002016-03-15T14:29:20.238-07:00Ugh, thanks for sharing this India. The deep corne...Ugh, thanks for sharing this India. The deep corners of the Internet are truly a terrifying place. But what's more terrifying is when, as you point out, the interconnectedness of the Internet bring things like this into the mainstream. I especially see this on Twitter - the extreme misogyny and absolute entitlement of anonymous men can be staggering. Part of me wonders if the anonymity of the Internet enables these types of things. If everything we wrote on the Internet could be traced back to us, would it be a nicer place? Maybe. <br /><br />The fine line between supporting free speech and tolerating hate speech is a really tough place to be. I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is one. It reminds me of the recent Good Wife episode where one of the (feminist) attorneys defends an anti-abortion group because she strongly believes in free speech protection. A really thought-provoking episode: http://mashable.com/2015/11/22/the-good-wife-restraint-recap/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02744962099797064454noreply@blogger.com